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Docmost on GKE Autopilot

Docmost on GKE Autopilot

Docmost is an open-source, real-time collaborative wiki and documentation platform (a Confluence/Notion alternative) built on NestJS. This module deploys Docmost on GKE Autopilot on top of the App_GKE foundation, which provisions and manages the shared Google Cloud and Kubernetes infrastructure.

This guide focuses on the cloud services Docmost uses and how to explore and operate them from the Google Cloud Console and the command line. For the mechanics that are common to every GKE application — Workload Identity, ingress, autoscaling, CI/CD, Cloud Armor, IAP, Binary Authorization, VPC Service Controls, backups, and the deployment lifecycle — refer to the App_GKE foundation guide rather than repeating them here.


What Docmost costs on RAD, and how that compares​

Docmost on RAD's GKE Autopilot module costs about US$110.13 a month with no per-seat licence. This compares against at least US$60 a month for Docmost's own hosted Business plan (US$6 a seat, 10-seat minimum). A self-managed server is cheaper in cash, but then you run the database, backups, security patches and upgrades yourself. For the lowest cost, the Cloud Run guide runs the same Docmost for about US$82.03 a month. Figures are as at 8 October 2026; sources are listed at the end of this section.

If you only need it occasionally — studying, a demo, a seasonal business — a RAD-managed project can be deleted and restored within 30 days for a handful of credits, so that US$110.13 becomes a few dollars a month instead. See Pause it for free, below.

What you pay on RAD​

In a Google Cloud project you ownIn a project RAD manages for you
Module fee, once per deployment175 credits (US$17.50 at the top-up price)157.5 credits (10% lower)
Build timeA few credits per buildThe same
Google Cloud running costBilled by Google to your own billing account, about US$110.13 a month for the default configuration (table below)Metered hourly in credits; RAD publishes 95 credits a day, about 2,850 a month (about US$285 at the top-up price)
Who owns whatYou own the project and its billing; RAD deploys and updates itRAD owns the project, with guardrails, quotas and budget alerts; you get console access, and a minimum purchased balance is held in reserve

10 credits cost US$1 on a one-off top-up, and less on a monthly plan. In a project RAD manages, the database, file server and network are shared by every application in the project, so a second application does not add a second database.

Default running cost in your own project (us-central1, Google list prices):

Resource (module default)Per month
GKE Autopilot pod, 1x vCPU / 2 GiBUS$39.68
Cloud SQL for PostgreSQL, 1 vCPU / 3.75 GB, zonal, 10 GB SSDUS$51.02
NFS/cache file server (small VM)US$13.43
Cloud NAT and networkingUS$5
Cloud Storage (add-ons, backups)US$1
GKE cluster management feeshared across every GKE app in the project; $0 if this is your only cluster, else ~73
Totalabout US$110.13

How it compares​

OptionPer monthWho runs it
Docmost, Business plan (10 seats)US$60 a month (annual), 10-seat minimumDocmost
RAD, GKE Autopilot, your own projectAbout US$110.13RAD's automation, in your project
RAD, GKE Autopilot, a RAD-managed projectAbout US$285RAD
  • Docmost's Business plan adds SSO and advanced permissions that the open-source Community edition — what RAD deploys — does not include; compare against Business only if you actually need those. Docmost's free Community tier is the self-hosted software RAD automates for you.
  • Licence cost on Docmost's own plan grows with every seat added past ten; RAD's cost is the infrastructure, which does not move when you add another editor.

Pause it for free: delete a RAD-managed project, restore it when you need it​

If Docmost runs in a project RAD manages for you, you have a second option that goes well beyond scaling to zero: delete the whole project, and restore it within 30 days for close to nothing. This suits Docmost you only need occasionally — studying, a demo, a seasonal business — far better than running it continuously.

  • How it works. Deleting a RAD-managed project unlinks its billing first, then asks Google to delete the project. Google does not remove the project immediately: it keeps it, recoverable, for 30 days. Because billing is already unlinked, nothing is charged while it waits. Unlike deleting one module, this does not tear down Cloud SQL, the NFS VM or the GKE pod one by one — the whole project, and everything in it, simply stops.
  • Restoring costs a handful of credits, not a rebuild. Within 30 days, the project's owner can restore it. RAD asks Google to undelete the project and reattaches its billing account, then asks you to run Update on each deployment to confirm everything came back. Because nothing was individually destroyed, that Update finds the same resources already there — it is a check, not a rebuild, and an Update never charges the module fee again. That costs a handful of credits (under US$1) in total for a typical Docmost-sized deployment chain, against the 162 credits (US$16.20) a full redeploy costs.
  • So a month of occasional use can cost a few dollars, not US$110.13. Deploy Docmost, use it for a while, delete the project. Restore it next time you want it, confirm with Update, and delete it again when you're done. You pay only for the module fee once, the builds, and whatever hours Docmost was actually live.
  • What this needs. You must own the project (not a bring-your-own one RAD only manages billing for), and you restore it yourself within the 30 days — after that, Google deletes it for good. Restoring is admitted like creating a new project: your purchased credit balance must still clear the tier's floor (100 credits for the sandbox tier most study and demo use fits). Google says most services are fully working again within 36 hours of a restore.
  • One real gap: nightly backups do not survive. Backups are written to a bucket inside the project, and that bucket is not protected by Cloud Storage's soft-delete, so it is very likely gone as soon as you delete the project — even though the project itself is recoverable for 30 days. If you have customised the data and want to keep it, copy a backup out (to Google Drive, or a bucket outside the project) before you delete, the same as the redeploy workflow below. For a default installation with nothing irreplaceable in it, this does not matter.

Pay only while you use it, the other way: delete and redeploy​

GKE keeps at least one pod running, so it never scales to zero on its own. The option above only applies to a RAD-managed project; in your own project, or once the 30-day window has passed, the way to stop paying is to delete the deployment and deploy it again when you need it.

  • What a redeploy costs. The module fee again plus the builds: about 180 credits (US$17.95), and about an hour, because RAD recreates the project and shared services before Docmost. Deleting saves money once Docmost would otherwise sit unused for about 5 days or more in your own project (about US$3.67 a day), or about 2 days or more in a RAD-managed one (95 credits a day).
  • Delete everything Docmost uses. Most of the running cost is the database and the NFS/cache VM. They stop only when nothing else in the project uses them, so deleting it while something else shares the project saves only Docmost's own compute part.
  • Keep your data first. The nightly database backups are written to a bucket inside the deployment, and that bucket is deleted with it. Before deleting, copy the latest backup to Google Drive, or to a bucket you keep.
  • Note your settings. RAD does not recreate a deleted deployment for you; you enter the settings again when you deploy.

Lab sessions and Managed Environments​

  • Lab sessions, for training. A trainer runs a session for a class. Each participant gets Docmost in their own Google Cloud project for 15 minutes to 24 hours, within an allowance the trainer sets. Either the trainer funds every place, or each participant pays for their own. Everything is deleted when the session ends and unused credits go back to the trainer.
  • Managed Environments, for consultancies. A partner runs Docmost for a client from a ring-fenced wallet it funds, and settles with the client directly. If the wallet runs low, billing pauses and the data is kept, so nobody receives an unexpected charge. At the end the partner hands the project over and the deployments become the client's own.

Credits can be bought in more than 20 currencies, including XAF, XOF, NGN, GHS, KES and ZAR, by card, bank transfer or mobile money.

Sources (8 October 2026): Google Cloud list prices from the Cloud Billing Catalog API; RAD's own fees and daily-credit estimates from radmodules.dev/pricing; Delete and restore projects for the pause/restore mechanics and window. Docmost pricing for the Business plan figures;

1. Overview​

Docmost runs as a Node.js (NestJS) web workload on port 3000. The deployment wires together a focused set of Google Cloud services:

CapabilityGoogle Cloud serviceNotes
ComputeGKE AutopilotNestJS pods on port 3000, horizontally autoscaled between 1 and 3 replicas
DatabaseCloud SQL for PostgreSQL 15Required — Docmost does not support MySQL or other engines
Cache & collaborationRedisRequired for real-time editing and background queues; enabled by default
File storageFilestore / NFSAttachments written to the NFS-backed volume at /app/data/storage
Object storageCloud StorageA data bucket provisioned automatically (unused by the default local driver)
SecretsSecret ManagerAuto-generated APP_SECRET; database password
IngressCloud Load BalancingExternal LoadBalancer, optional custom domain + managed certificate

Sensible defaults worth knowing up front:

  • PostgreSQL 15 is mandatory. The database engine is fixed by the shared application layer; selecting any other engine breaks startup.
  • Redis is required and on by default. Docmost uses Redis for real-time collaborative editing and background job queues. enable_redis = true is the default; leaving redis_host empty co-locates Redis on the NFS server VM.
  • NFS is enabled by default (enable_nfs = true, nfs_mount_path = /app/data/storage). Docmost's local storage driver writes uploaded attachments there so they survive pod restarts and are shared across replicas.
  • APP_SECRET is generated automatically and stored in Secret Manager (also materialised into a Kubernetes Secret via the explicit-secret-values path). It signs and encrypts sessions and sensitive data and must never be rotated after first boot without a maintenance window.
  • The database is reached via the Cloud SQL Auth Proxy sidecar on 127.0.0.1 (plaintext loopback, sslmode=disable) — the entrypoint branches on DB_HOST to pick the right connection form and SSL mode per platform.
  • A custom image is built via Cloud Build (container_image_source = "custom", base docmost/docmost:latest) wrapping the official image with the entrypoint that assembles DATABASE_URL / REDIS_URL / APP_URL. Rebuilt images deploy with imagePullPolicy=Always.
  • Minimum 1 replica is maintained (min_instance_count = 1; GKE does not support scale-to-zero) to keep the wiki and collaboration endpoint always reachable.
  • First-run setup is via the UI. Docmost has no default credentials — the first visitor creates the initial workspace and administrator account.

2. Google Cloud Services & How to Explore Them​

All commands assume you have run gcloud container clusters get-credentials <cluster> --region <region> --project <project> and that PROJECT, REGION, and NAMESPACE are set. The namespace and other identifiers are reported in the deployment Outputs.

A. GKE Autopilot — the Docmost workload​

Docmost pods are scheduled on Autopilot, which bills for the CPU/memory the pods actually request. Horizontal Pod Autoscaling sizes the deployment between the minimum and maximum replica counts. Because attachments live on the shared NFS volume, the Deployment uses the Recreate strategy for updates to avoid two pods writing the same NFS/DB state during a rollout.

  • Console: Kubernetes Engine → Workloads → select the Docmost workload to see pods, revisions, and events. Kubernetes Engine → Services & Ingress shows the external IP.
  • CLI:
    kubectl get pods,svc,hpa -n "$NAMESPACE"
    kubectl logs -n "$NAMESPACE" deploy/<service-name> --tail=100
    kubectl describe hpa -n "$NAMESPACE" # current vs target utilisation

See App_GKE for how Autopilot, scaling, and the workload type (Deployment vs StatefulSet) are managed.

B. Cloud SQL for PostgreSQL 15​

Docmost stores all application data (spaces, pages, comments, users, permissions) in a managed Cloud SQL for PostgreSQL 15 instance. Pods reach it privately through the Cloud SQL Auth Proxy sidecar over 127.0.0.1 (plaintext loopback); no public IP is exposed. On first deploy an initialization Job creates the application database and user; Docmost then applies its own schema migrations automatically on boot.

  • Console: SQL → select the instance for connections, backups, flags, and metrics.
  • CLI:
    gcloud sql instances list --project "$PROJECT"
    gcloud sql instances describe <instance-name> --project "$PROJECT"
    # Open an interactive shell to inspect schema/data:
    gcloud sql connect <instance-name> --user=<db-user> --database=<db-name> --project "$PROJECT"

The instance name, database (docmost), user (docmost), and the Secret Manager secret holding the password are all surfaced in the Outputs. For the connection model, automated backups, and password rotation, see App_GKE.

C. Redis (real-time collaboration & queues)​

Redis is enabled by default and is required for Docmost's real-time collaborative editor and background job processing. When redis_host is left empty and enable_nfs is true, the NFS server VM's IP is used as the Redis endpoint; set redis_host (and optionally redis_auth) to point at a managed/external Redis instead.

  • Console: Memorystore → Redis (if using a managed instance).
  • CLI:
    redis-cli -h <redis-host> ping
    redis-cli -h <redis-host> info keyspace
    # Confirm REDIS_URL is assembled inside the running pod:
    kubectl exec -n "$NAMESPACE" deploy/<service-name> -- env | grep REDIS_URL

D. Cloud Storage & NFS file storage​

Docmost writes uploaded attachments to its local storage driver at /app/data/storage, backed by the NFS volume so files persist across pod restarts and are shared across replicas. A dedicated Cloud Storage data bucket is also provisioned automatically (available if you switch Docmost to an object-storage driver).

  • Console: Cloud Storage → Buckets; Filestore → Instances.
  • CLI:
    gcloud storage buckets list --project "$PROJECT"
    gcloud filestore instances list --project "$PROJECT"
    kubectl get pvc -n "$NAMESPACE"

See App_GKE for CMEK options and GCS Fuse mounts.

E. Secret Manager​

One cryptographic secret is generated automatically and stored in Secret Manager: APP_SECRET (used to sign and encrypt sessions and sensitive data). On GKE it is also materialised into a Kubernetes Secret. The database password is managed separately by the foundation.

  • Console: Security → Secret Manager.
  • CLI:
    gcloud secrets list --project "$PROJECT" --filter="name~docmost"
    gcloud secrets versions access latest --secret=<secret-name> --project "$PROJECT"
    kubectl get secret -n "$NAMESPACE"

See App_GKE for the Secret Store CSI integration and rotation.

F. Networking & ingress​

By default the workload is exposed through an external Cloud Load Balancing IP (service_type = LoadBalancer). A custom domain with a Google-managed certificate can be enabled, and a static IP can be reserved so the address survives redeploys.

  • Console: Network services → Load balancing; VPC network → IP addresses.
  • CLI:
    kubectl get ingress,svc -n "$NAMESPACE"
    gcloud compute addresses list --project "$PROJECT"

See App_GKE for custom domains, Cloud CDN, and static IP details.

G. Cloud Logging & Monitoring​

Pod stdout/stderr flow to Cloud Logging; GKE and Cloud SQL metrics flow to Cloud Monitoring. Optional uptime checks and alert policies are available.

  • Console: Logging → Logs Explorer; Monitoring → Dashboards / Alerting.
  • CLI:
    gcloud logging read 'resource.type="k8s_container" AND resource.labels.namespace_name="'"$NAMESPACE"'"' \
    --project "$PROJECT" --limit 50

3. Docmost Application Behaviour​

  • First-deploy database setup. An initialization Job runs db-init.sh using postgres:15-alpine. It connects through the Cloud SQL Auth Proxy and idempotently creates the application database and user and grants privileges, then signals the proxy sidecar to shut down so the Job can complete. The job is safe to re-run.
  • Migrations run automatically on start. Docmost runs its own schema migrations on every boot via its default pnpm start command, so upgrading the application version applies schema changes with no separate migration step.
  • APP_SECRET is immutable after first boot. It is generated once and written to Secret Manager (and a Kubernetes Secret). Rotating it invalidates all existing sessions and makes data encrypted under the old value unrecoverable — only rotate in a planned maintenance window.
  • APP_URL must match the reachable URL. It is injected as the internal/predicted service URL and used for absolute links and the collaboration WebSocket. After the external LoadBalancer IP (or custom domain) is known, set APP_URL to that external URL via environment_variables (or patch the Deployment):
    kubectl set env deploy/<service-name> -n "$NAMESPACE" APP_URL="https://docmost.example.com"
  • Health path. Startup and liveness probes target /api/health — Docmost's public 200 endpoint. Allow ~2 minutes on first boot while migrations run.
  • First-run account creation. Docmost ships with no default credentials. Browse to the LoadBalancer IP / domain and complete the setup form to create the first workspace and admin user. Do this promptly after deploy.
  • Custom-build rebuilds. Because the image is custom-built, rebuilt images reuse a version tag; App_GKE sets imagePullPolicy=Always so nodes pull the fresh image rather than serving a stale cached layer.

4. Configuration Variables​

Variables are grouped exactly as they appear on the deployment platform. Only settings specific to or notable for Docmost are listed; every other input is inherited from App_GKE with its standard behaviour and defaults.

Group 1 — Project & Identity​

VariableDefaultDescription
project_id(required)Target Google Cloud project.
regionus-central1Region for the workload and regional resources.

Group 2 — Deployment Environment​

VariableDefaultDescription
tenant_iddemoShort suffix that makes resource names unique per environment.
support_users[]Emails granted project access and monitoring alerts.
resource_labels{}Labels applied to all resources for cost/ownership tracking.

Group 3 — Application Identity​

VariableDefaultDescription
application_namedocmostBase name for resources. Do not change after first deploy.
application_display_nameDocmostHuman-readable name shown in the Console.
application_versionlatestDocmost image tag (mapped to the DOCMOST_VERSION build ARG); pin to a specific release in production.

Group 4 — Container & Scale​

VariableDefaultDescription
deploy_applicationtrueSet false to provision infrastructure only.
container_image_sourcecustomDocmost is built from a custom Dockerfile wrapping the official image.
container_imagedocmost/docmost:latestUpstream base image the custom build wraps.
container_port3000Docmost listens on port 3000.
min_instance_count1Minimum replicas; GKE requires ≥ 1 (no scale-to-zero).
max_instance_count3Maximum replicas.
enable_cloudsql_volumetrueCloud SQL Auth Proxy sidecar for the loopback connection.
enable_image_mirroringtrueMirror the built image into Artifact Registry before deployment.

Group 5 — Environment Variables & Secrets​

VariableDefaultDescription
environment_variables{}Extra non-secret settings. Core values (NODE_ENV, STORAGE_DRIVER, APP_URL) are set automatically — do not set APP_SECRET, DATABASE_URL, or REDIS_URL here.
secret_environment_variables{}Map of env var → Secret Manager secret name.
secret_propagation_delay30Seconds to wait after secret creation before proceeding.
secret_rotation_period2592000sSecret Manager rotation notification frequency.

Group 6 — GKE Backend & Cluster​

VariableDefaultDescription
service_typeLoadBalancerHow the Kubernetes Service is exposed.
workload_typenullResolves to Deployment (stateless; state is in Postgres/NFS).
session_affinityClientIPSticky routing keeps a client's collaboration WebSocket on one pod.
namespace_name""Namespace (defaults to the derived per-app namespace).
termination_grace_period_seconds30Seconds to wait after SIGTERM before SIGKILL.
enable_network_segmentationfalseCreate Kubernetes NetworkPolicy resources.

Group 7 — StatefulSet​

VariableDefaultDescription
stateful_pvc_enablednullLeave off — Docmost keeps state in PostgreSQL and shared NFS, not per-pod PVCs.
stateful_pvc_size10GiPer-pod PVC size (only if a StatefulSet is chosen).

Group 8 — Resource Quota​

VariableDefaultDescription
enable_resource_quota / quota_memory_requests / quota_memory_limitsfalse / "" / ""Not referenced — the whole Group 8 block is declared for interface compatibility only; it has no effect on this module's deployment.

Group 9 — Reliability Policies​

VariableDefaultDescription
enable_pod_disruption_budgettrueProtect availability during node upgrades.
pdb_min_available1Minimum pods available during voluntary disruptions.

Group 10 — Observability & Health​

VariableDefaultDescription
startup_probe_configHTTP /api/health 60s delayStartup probe. Allow ~2 minutes on first boot.
health_check_configHTTP /api/healthLiveness probe.
uptime_check_config(set)Optional Cloud Monitoring uptime check (public endpoint).
alert_policies[]Optional metric alert policies.

Group 13 — Filesystem (NFS)​

VariableDefaultDescription
enable_nfstrueNFS is on by default — backs the /app/data/storage attachment path.
nfs_mount_path/app/data/storageMount path matching Docmost's local storage driver.

Group 14 — Cloud Storage & Artifact Registry​

VariableDefaultDescription
create_cloud_storagetrueCreate the GCS buckets defined in storage_buckets.
storage_buckets[]Additional buckets beyond the auto-provisioned data bucket.
gcs_volumes[]GCS Fuse volume mounts via the CSI driver.
max_images_to_retain / delete_untagged_images / image_retention_days(set)Artifact Registry cleanup policy.

Group 15 — Redis Cache & Queue​

VariableDefaultDescription
enable_redistrueRequired — Docmost uses Redis for real-time editing and queues.
redis_host""Redis endpoint. Leave empty to use the NFS server IP.
redis_port6379Redis port.
redis_auth""Optional Redis auth password (sensitive).

Group 16 — Database Backend​

VariableDefaultDescription
database_typePOSTGRES_15Fixed — Docmost requires PostgreSQL 15.
application_database_namedocmostPostgreSQL database name. Immutable after first deploy.
application_database_userdocmostApplication database user. Immutable after first deploy.
database_password_length32Generated password length.

All other inputs follow standard App_GKE behaviour.


5. Outputs​

These values are returned on a successful deployment and are the quickest way to locate and explore the running resources.

OutputDescription
service_nameKubernetes Service name.
namespaceNamespace the workload runs in.
service_cluster_ipIn-cluster ClusterIP.
stage_service_cluster_ipsMap of ClusterIPs for stage-specific services.
service_external_ipExternal LoadBalancer IP (when a static IP is reserved).
service_urlURL to reach Docmost.
database_instance_nameCloud SQL instance name.
database_nameApplication database name.
database_userApplication database user.
database_password_secretSecret Manager secret holding the DB password.
database_host / database_portDB endpoint (127.0.0.1 via the Auth Proxy) / port.
storage_bucketsCreated Cloud Storage buckets.
network_name / network_exists / regionsVPC network, presence, available regions.
container_image / container_registryDeployed image and Artifact Registry repo.
monitoring_enabled / monitoring_notification_channelsMonitoring status and channels.
initialization_jobs / db_import_jobNames of the setup and (optional) import jobs.
deployment_id / tenant_id / resource_prefixNaming identifiers.
project_id / project_numberProject identifiers.
cicd_enabled / cicd_configurationCI/CD status and details (repo, trigger, registry).
github_repository_url / github_repository_owner / github_repository_nameCI/CD GitHub details.
artifact_registry_repository / cloudbuild_trigger_name / cloudbuild_trigger_idRegistry and build trigger.
kubernetes_readyWhether the cluster/workload is ready.
vpc_sc_enabled / vpc_sc_perimeter_name / vpc_sc_dry_run_modeVPC-SC status.
audit_logging_enabled / artifact_registry_cmek_enabledAudit logging and CMEK status.

6. Configuration Pitfalls & Sensible Defaults​

Risk: Critical (data loss / outage / security) — High (service degraded) — Medium (cost or partial degradation) — Low (minor).

Inherited plan-time validation. This module passes its configuration through the App_GKE foundation engine, which validates values and combinations at plan time — a read replica without its primary, IAP with no authorized identities, a gen1 runtime with NFS/GCS mounts, a database_type that does not match an enabled extension, an out-of-range redis_port/backup_retention_days, a bare-integer memory quota. Invalid configuration fails the plan with a clear, named error before any resource is created, so most mistakes below are caught up front rather than at apply or runtime.

SettingSensible valueRiskConsequence if wrong
APP_SECRET (auto-generated)Never rotate after first bootCriticalRotating it invalidates all sessions and makes data encrypted under the old value unrecoverable.
application_database_name / application_database_userSet onceCriticalImmutable after first deploy; renaming recreates the DB/user and destroys all data.
database_typePOSTGRES_15CriticalDocmost requires PostgreSQL 15; any other engine breaks startup.
enable_redistrueCriticalDocmost's real-time editor and job queues need Redis; disabling it prevents the app from working correctly.
enable_nfstrueHighWith NFS off, uploaded attachments land on ephemeral pod disk and are lost on restart / not shared across replicas.
APP_URLExternal LoadBalancer / domain URLHighA wrong URL breaks absolute links and the collaboration WebSocket endpoint.
session_affinityClientIPHighWithout stickiness, a client's collaboration WebSocket can reconnect to a different pod.
enable_cloudsql_volumetrueHighThe Auth Proxy sidecar is required for the loopback PostgreSQL connection.
min_instance_count1HighGKE requires min ≥ 1; keeping 1 ensures the wiki is always reachable.
stateful_pvc_enabledleave offMediumPer-pod PVCs are unnecessary — Docmost keeps state in Postgres/NFS; enabling adds cost/complexity.
enable_pod_disruption_budgettrueMediumDisabling allows GKE to evict all pods simultaneously during maintenance.

For the foundation behaviour referenced throughout — IAM and Workload Identity, autoscaling, ingress and certificates, CI/CD, Cloud Armor, IAP, Binary Authorization, VPC-SC, backups, and image mirroring — see App_GKE. Docmost-specific application configuration shared with the Cloud Run variant is described in Docmost_Common.

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