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Matomo on Google Cloud Run

Matomo on Google Cloud Run

Matomo is the leading open-source web analytics platform — a privacy-focused, self-hosted alternative to Google Analytics used by over a million websites. This module deploys Matomo on Cloud Run v2 on top of the App_CloudRun foundation, which provisions and manages the shared Google Cloud infrastructure.

This guide focuses on the cloud services Matomo uses and how to explore and operate them from the Google Cloud Console and the command line. For the mechanics common to every Cloud Run application — service identity, ingress and load balancing, scaling and concurrency, CI/CD, Cloud Armor, IAP, Binary Authorization, VPC Service Controls, backups, and the deployment lifecycle — refer to the App_CloudRun foundation guide rather than repeating them here.


What Matomo costs on RAD, and how that compares​

Matomo on RAD's Cloud Run module costs about US$84 a month in your own project, with no per-pageview fee. RAD charges 75 credits once per deployment in your own project (67.5 credits, 10% lower, in a project RAD manages), plus build time. Matomo also deploys on GKE Autopilot for about US$110 a month — see the GKE guide if you need it to run there instead. If you only need it occasionally, a RAD-managed project can be deleted and restored within 30 days for a few credits, so that monthly figure becomes a few dollars instead — see Pause it for free, below.

What you pay on RAD​

In a Google Cloud project you ownIn a project RAD manages for you
Module fee, once per deployment75 credits (US$7.50 at the top-up price)67.5 credits (10% lower)
Build timeA few credits per buildThe same
Google Cloud running costBilled by Google to your own billing account, about US$84 a month for the default configuration (table below)Metered hourly in credits; RAD publishes 32 credits a day, about 960 a month (about US$96.00 at the top-up price, less on a plan)
Who owns whatYou own the project and its billing; RAD deploys and updates itRAD owns the project, with guardrails, quotas and budget alerts; you get console access, and a minimum purchased balance is held in reserve

10 credits cost US$1 on a one-off top-up, and less on a monthly plan. In a project RAD manages, the database, file server and network are shared by every application in the project, so a second application does not add a second database.

Default running cost in your own project (us-central1, Google list prices):

Resource (module default)Per month
Cloud Run, 1x vCPU / 2 GiB (scaleToZero)US$13
Cloud SQL for MySQL, 1 vCPU / 3.75 GB, zonal, 10 GB SSDUS$51
NFS/cache file server (small VM)US$13
Cloud NAT and networkingUS$5
Cloud Storage (add-ons, backups)US$1
Totalabout US$84

How it compares​

  • Matomo's own hosted "Matomo Cloud" offers paid plans, but its price depends on a traffic-tier selector with no fixed figure published, so no single number can be quoted reliably here — check matomo.org/pricing for your own traffic volume before comparing.
  • Google Analytics is free, which is the real alternative most sites start from. RAD's Matomo module costs about US$84 a month in your own project, and the case for paying for it is not price — it is owning 100% of your visitor data, with no sampling and no data shared with Google, which matters for GDPR/CCPA-sensitive sites.
  • Self-managed comparison: at 1 vCPU / 2 GiB with a MySQL database, a Hetzner CPX22 or DigitalOcean 2 vCPU/4 GB droplet (~US$24/month) is in range, plus you run MySQL, backups and upgrades yourself.

Pause it for free: delete a RAD-managed project, restore it when you need it​

If Matomo runs in a project RAD manages for you, you have a second option that goes well beyond scaling to zero: delete the whole project, and restore it within 30 days for close to nothing. This suits Matomo you only need occasionally — evaluating it, a demo environment, a seasonal or intermittent workload — far better than running it continuously.

  • How it works. Deleting a RAD-managed project unlinks its billing first, then asks Google to delete the project. Google does not remove the project immediately: it keeps it, recoverable, for 30 days. Because billing is already unlinked, nothing is charged while it waits. Unlike deleting one module, this does not tear down the database, any VM or the compute resource one by one — the whole project, and everything in it, simply stops.
  • Restoring costs a few credits, not a rebuild. Within 30 days, the project's owner can restore it. RAD asks Google to undelete the project and reattaches its billing account, then asks you to run Update on each deployment to confirm everything came back. Because nothing was individually destroyed, that Update finds the same resources already there — it is a check, not a rebuild, and an Update never charges the module fee again. For Matomo behind Services_GCP (a small NFS/cache VM, a Mysql database) and Project_GCP, that is roughly a handful of credits (under US$1) in total, against the about 80 credits (US$8.00) a full redeploy costs.
  • So a month of occasional use can cost a few dollars, not US$84. Deploy Matomo, use it for a while, delete the project. Restore it next time you need it, confirm with Update, and delete it again when you're done. You pay only for the module fee once, the builds, and whatever time it was actually live.
  • What this needs. You must own the project (not one RAD only manages billing for), and you restore it yourself within the 30 days — after that, Google deletes it for good. Restoring is admitted like creating a new project: your purchased credit balance must still clear the tier's floor (100 credits for the sandbox tier most evaluation use fits). Google says most services are fully working again within 36 hours of a restore.
  • One real gap: nightly backups do not survive. Backups and other generated files are written to a bucket inside the project, and that bucket is not protected by Cloud Storage's soft-delete, so it is very likely gone as soon as you delete the project — even though the project itself is recoverable for 30 days. If you have customised Matomo and want to keep that work, copy a backup out (to Google Drive, or a bucket outside the project) before you delete. For a default installation with nothing irreplaceable in it, this does not matter.

Pay only while you use it, the other way: delete and redeploy​

The option above only applies to a RAD-managed project; in your own project, or once the 30-day window has passed, the way to stop paying is to delete the deployment and deploy it again when you need it.

  • What a redeploy costs. The module fee again, plus the builds — roughly 80 credits (US$8.00) in total. Deleting saves money only once Matomo would otherwise sit unused long enough to clear that redeploy cost against its own running cost — about 3 days or more, both in your own project (about US$2.79 a day) and in a RAD-managed one (32 credits a day).
  • Most of the running cost is usually shared. For Matomo that is the database and the shared file/cache VM. They stop only when nothing else in the project uses them, so deleting this app while something else shares the project saves only this app's own compute part.
  • Keep your data first. Nightly backups go to a bucket inside the deployment and are deleted with it, so copy the latest backup out before deleting if you want to keep it.

Lab sessions and Managed Environments​

  • Lab sessions, for training. A trainer runs a session for a class. Each participant gets the app in their own Google Cloud project for 15 minutes to 24 hours, within an allowance the trainer sets. Either the trainer funds every place, or each participant pays for their own. Everything is deleted when the session ends and unused credits go back to the trainer.
  • Managed Environments, for consultancies. A partner runs the app for a client from a ring-fenced wallet it funds, and settles with the client directly. If the wallet runs low, billing pauses and the data is kept, so nobody receives an unexpected charge. At the end the partner hands the project over and the deployments become the client's own.

Credits can be bought in more than 20 currencies, including XAF, XOF, NGN, GHS, KES and ZAR, by card, bank transfer or mobile money.

Sources (8 October 2026): Google Cloud list prices from the Cloud Billing Catalog API; RAD fees and the daily-credit estimate from radmodules.dev/pricing; Delete and restore projects for the pause/restore mechanics and what it says about Cloud Storage objects without soft delete. Prices change; check each source before relying on a figure.

1. Overview​

Matomo runs as a PHP/Apache container (the official matomo:5-apache image) on Cloud Run v2. The deployment wires together a focused set of Google Cloud services:

CapabilityGoogle Cloud serviceNotes
ComputeCloud Run v2PHP/Apache service, 1 vCPU / 2 GiB by default, request-based autoscaling
DatabaseCloud SQL for MySQL 8.0Required — Matomo supports only MySQL/MariaDB
Shared filesFilestore (NFS)Persists the Matomo document root /var/www/html (gen2 required)
Object storageCloud StorageA dedicated matomo-data bucket provisioned automatically
CacheRedisEnabled by default; falls back to the NFS host IP when no Redis host is given
SecretsSecret ManagerDatabase password managed automatically
IngressCloud Run URL / Cloud Load BalancingDefault run.app URL, optional external HTTPS load balancer + custom domain

Sensible defaults worth knowing up front:

  • MySQL 8.0 is mandatory. Matomo requires MySQL/MariaDB; PostgreSQL is not supported.
  • The official prebuilt image is deployed directly. container_image_source = "prebuilt" means no Cloud Build step — the matomo:<application_version> image is mirrored into Artifact Registry (to avoid Docker Hub rate limits) and deployed as-is.
  • The database connection is TCP over the VPC, not a socket. enable_cloudsql_volume = false by default: the Foundation injects the Cloud SQL instance's private IP as MATOMO_DATABASE_HOST, and Matomo's PHP client connects directly over the private network. There is no Auth Proxy socket sidecar.
  • MATOMO_DATABASE_* env vars pre-fill the installer. Host, username, database name, and password are injected by the Foundation; MATOMO_DATABASE_ADAPTER=mysql and MATOMO_DATABASE_TABLES_PREFIX=matomo_ are set by Matomo_Common.
  • NFS persists the document root. nfs_mount_path defaults to /var/www/html, where Matomo keeps config.ini.php, installed plugins, and generated assets. The image entrypoint populates an empty volume from /usr/src/matomo on first start.
  • A db-init job runs on every apply to idempotently create the Matomo MySQL database and user.
  • Scale-to-zero by default. min_instance_count = 0 and max_instance_count = 1; cold starts take 10–30 seconds. Set min_instance_count = 1 for always-on production.
  • The database password is generated automatically and stored in Secret Manager. Matomo has no other application secrets.

2. Google Cloud Services & How to Explore Them​

All commands assume PROJECT and REGION are set. Service and resource names are reported in the deployment Outputs.

A. Cloud Run — the Matomo service​

Matomo runs as a Cloud Run v2 service that autoscales by request load between the minimum and maximum instance counts. Each deployment creates an immutable revision; traffic can be split across revisions for safe rollouts.

  • Console: Cloud Run → select the service for revisions, traffic, logs, and metrics.
  • CLI:
    gcloud run services list --project "$PROJECT" --region "$REGION"
    gcloud run services describe <service-name> --project "$PROJECT" --region "$REGION"
    gcloud run revisions list --service <service-name> --project "$PROJECT" --region "$REGION"

See App_CloudRun for scaling, concurrency, execution environment, and traffic splitting.

B. Cloud SQL for MySQL 8.0​

Matomo stores all analytics data (visits, reports, users, site configuration) in a managed Cloud SQL for MySQL 8.0 instance. The service connects over the instance's private IP across the VPC (no public IP, no proxy socket): the Foundation injects the private IP as MATOMO_DATABASE_HOST. On first deploy a db-init Job creates the application database and user.

  • Console: SQL → select the instance for connections, backups, flags, metrics.
  • CLI:
    gcloud sql instances list --project "$PROJECT"
    gcloud sql instances describe <instance-name> --project "$PROJECT"
    gcloud sql connect <instance-name> --user=<db-user> --project "$PROJECT"

The instance name, database, user, and password secret are in the Outputs. See App_CloudRun for the connection model, backups, and password rotation.

C. Filestore (NFS) and Cloud Storage​

Matomo's document root /var/www/html — configuration (config.ini.php), installed plugins, and generated assets — is written to a Filestore (NFS) share mounted into the service so it survives restarts and scale-from-zero. A dedicated Cloud Storage bucket (matomo-data) is also provisioned automatically. The gen2 execution environment is required for NFS mounts.

  • Console: Filestore → Instances; Cloud Storage → Buckets.
  • CLI:
    gcloud filestore instances list --project "$PROJECT"
    gcloud storage buckets list --project "$PROJECT"
    gcloud storage ls gs://<data-bucket>/ # bucket name is in the Outputs

See App_CloudRun for the NFS mount, GCS Fuse, and CMEK.

D. Redis cache​

Redis backs Matomo's object cache, reducing database load and improving page load times. When no external Redis host is configured and NFS is enabled, the NFS host IP is used as the Redis endpoint.

  • Console: Memorystore → Redis (if using a managed instance).
  • CLI:
    redis-cli -h <redis-host> ping
    redis-cli -h <redis-host> info keyspace

E. Secret Manager​

The database password is stored in Secret Manager and injected into the service at runtime as MATOMO_DATABASE_PASSWORD; plaintext never appears in configuration. Matomo requires no other application secrets.

  • Console: Security → Secret Manager.
  • CLI:
    gcloud secrets list --project "$PROJECT"
    gcloud secrets versions access latest --secret=<secret-name> --project "$PROJECT"

See App_CloudRun for injection and rotation details.

F. Networking & ingress​

The service is reachable at its run.app URL by default. An external HTTPS load balancer with a custom domain, Cloud CDN, and Cloud Armor can be layered on; ingress settings and VPC egress control connectivity. The tracking snippet you embed in your websites points at this URL (or your custom domain).

  • Console: Cloud Run (service URL); Network services → Load balancing.
  • CLI:
    gcloud run services describe <service-name> --region "$REGION" --format='value(status.url)'
    gcloud compute addresses list --project "$PROJECT"

See App_CloudRun.

G. Cloud Logging & Monitoring​

Container logs flow to Cloud Logging; Cloud Run and Cloud SQL metrics flow to Cloud Monitoring, with optional uptime checks and alert policies.

  • Console: Logging → Logs Explorer; Monitoring → Dashboards / Alerting.
  • CLI:
    gcloud run services logs read <service-name> --project "$PROJECT" --region "$REGION" --limit 50

3. Matomo Application Behaviour​

  • First-deploy database setup. A db-init Job (image mysql:8.0-debian) connects to Cloud SQL — preferring the Auth Proxy Unix socket when mounted, falling back to a TCP connection over the private IP — and idempotently creates the Matomo database, creates the application user, and grants full privileges. It also verifies the application user can connect, which both catches credential problems early and warms MySQL 8's caching_sha2_password auth cache so the PHP client's subsequent TCP connections use the fast auth path. The job runs on every apply and is safe to re-run.
  • Web installer completes setup. The db-init job creates only the empty database; browsing to the service URL for the first time launches Matomo's web installer, whose database screen is pre-filled from the injected MATOMO_DATABASE_* env vars. You create the superuser account and register your first tracked website there.
  • Document-root persistence. On first start the official image's entrypoint copies the Matomo application from /usr/src/matomo into the (empty) NFS volume at /var/www/html. All subsequent state — config.ini.php, plugins, generated assets — persists there across restarts and version upgrades.
  • Database connection is plain TCP. With enable_cloudsql_volume = false, Matomo's PHP MySQL client connects to the Cloud SQL private IP over the VPC. The MATOMO_DATABASE_ADAPTER=mysql and MATOMO_DATABASE_TABLES_PREFIX=matomo_ env vars are set by Matomo_Common.
  • Report archiving. Out of the box Matomo processes reports on page view (browser-triggered archiving), which suits low-to-medium traffic and the module's scale-to-zero default. For high-traffic sites, schedule console core:archive via the cron_jobs input so report processing runs as a Cloud Run Job instead of inside visitor requests.
  • Health path. Startup uses a TCP probe (port-listening) with a generous 20-failure threshold to cover the first-boot copy from /usr/src/matomo; liveness targets / over HTTP, which returns 200 — or 302 to the installer on a fresh deploy — once Apache and PHP are up.
  • PHP tuning variables are build args. php_memory_limit, upload_max_filesize, and post_max_size apply only when container_image_source = "custom" (they are Docker build args); with the default prebuilt image they have no effect.

4. Configuration Variables​

Variables are grouped exactly as they appear on the deployment platform. Only settings specific to or notable for Matomo are listed; every other input is inherited from App_CloudRun with its standard behaviour.

Group 1 — Project & Identity​

VariableDefaultDescription
project_id(required)Target Google Cloud project.
regionus-central1Region for the service and regional resources.

Group 2 — Deployment Environment​

VariableDefaultDescription
tenant_iddemoShort suffix that makes resource names unique per environment.
support_users[]Emails granted project access and monitoring alerts.
resource_labels{}Labels applied to all resources.

Group 3 — Application Identity​

VariableDefaultDescription
application_namematomoBase name for resources. Do not change after first deploy.
display_nameMatomoFriendly name shown in the Console.
application_version5-apacheMatomo image tag — use an Apache variant tag; increment to roll out a new revision.
php_memory_limit / upload_max_filesize / post_max_size512M / 64M / 64MPHP tuning build args — only effective with container_image_source = "custom".

All other inputs in this group follow standard App_CloudRun behaviour.

Group 4 — Runtime & Scaling​

VariableDefaultDescription
deploy_applicationtrueSet false to provision infrastructure only.
container_image_sourceprebuiltDeploys the official Matomo image directly; custom builds via Cloud Build.
container_image""Leave empty to use matomo:<application_version>.
cpu_limit1000mCPU per instance; 1 vCPU minimum for Matomo.
memory_limit2GiMemory per instance; 2 GiB recommended for report generation.
min_instance_count0Scale-to-zero; set 1 for always-on production.
max_instance_count1Keep at 1 unless shared NFS + session affinity are confirmed multi-instance-safe.
container_port80Matomo runs on Apache, which listens on port 80.
enable_cloudsql_volumefalseMatomo connects over TCP private IP (MATOMO_DATABASE_HOST) — no proxy socket.
execution_environmentgen2Required for the NFS mount.
enable_image_mirroringtrueMirror the image into Artifact Registry to avoid Docker Hub rate limits.

All other inputs follow standard App_CloudRun behaviour.

Group 5 — Access & Ingress Control​

VariableDefaultDescription
enable_iapfalseRequire Google sign-in via Identity-Aware Proxy. Note: IAP in front of Matomo also blocks the public tracking endpoint.
ingress_settingsallWhich networks may reach the service. Trackers on public websites need all (or LB-fronted).
vpc_egress_settingPRIVATE_RANGES_ONLYPrivate-IP traffic (including Cloud SQL) routes via the VPC.

All other inputs follow standard App_CloudRun behaviour.

Group 6 — Environment Variables & Secrets​

VariableDefaultDescription
environment_variables{}Extra plain env vars. MATOMO_DATABASE_ADAPTER and MATOMO_DATABASE_TABLES_PREFIX are injected automatically; the MATOMO_DATABASE_HOST/USERNAME/DBNAME/PASSWORD set comes from the Foundation.
secret_environment_variables{}Map of env var → Secret Manager secret name.

All other inputs follow standard App_CloudRun behaviour.

Group 7 — Backup & Restore​

VariableDefaultDescription
backup_schedule0 2 * * *Automated backup cron (UTC).
backup_retention_days7Retention; raise for production/compliance.
enable_backup_import / backup_source / backup_uri / backup_formatrestore optionsRestore from a backup on deploy.

Groups 8–10 — CI/CD, Custom SQL, Domain & Cloud Armor​

Standard App_CloudRun behaviour — see App_CloudRun. Key inputs: enable_cicd_trigger, enable_cloud_deploy, enable_binary_authorization, enable_custom_sql_scripts, application_domains, enable_cdn, enable_cloud_armor.

Group 11 — Storage & Filesystem​

VariableDefaultDescription
enable_nfstrueShared Filestore volume for the Matomo document root. Requires gen2.
nfs_mount_path/var/www/htmlMatomo's document root — config, plugins, and assets persist here.
create_cloud_storage / storage_buckets[{ name_suffix = "data" }]Additional buckets; the matomo-data bucket is always provisioned automatically.

All other inputs follow standard App_CloudRun behaviour.

Group 12 — Database Backend​

VariableDefaultDescription
database_typeMYSQL_8_0Matomo requires MySQL — do not change to PostgreSQL.
db_namematomoMySQL database name. Immutable after first deploy.
db_usermatomoApplication user. Immutable after first deploy.
database_password_length32Generated password length (16–64).
enable_auto_password_rotationfalseAutomated DB password rotation.

All other inputs follow standard App_CloudRun behaviour.

Group 13 — Jobs & Scheduled Tasks​

VariableDefaultDescription
initialization_jobs[]Leave empty to use the built-in db-init job (mysql:8.0-debian).
cron_jobs[]Recurring jobs — the natural home for a scheduled console core:archive on high-traffic sites.

Group 14 — Observability & Health​

VariableDefaultDescription
startup_probeTCP, 30s initial delay, 15s period, 20 failuresGenerous threshold for the first-boot document-root copy.
liveness_probeHTTP /, 300s initial delay, 60s period, 3 failuresMatomo serves 200/302 on / once PHP and Apache are up.
uptime_check_configdisabled, path /Cloud Monitoring uptime check — off by default; enable for production.
alert_policies[]Metric alert policies.

Group 21 — Redis Cache​

VariableDefaultDescription
enable_redistrueUse Redis as Matomo's object cache backend.
redis_host""Redis endpoint. Leave empty to use the NFS host IP.
redis_port6379Redis port.
redis_auth""Optional Redis auth password (sensitive).

Group 22 — VPC Service Controls & Audit Logging​

VariableDefaultDescription
enable_vpc_scfalseEnforce a VPC-SC perimeter.
vpc_cidr_ranges / vpc_sc_dry_run(set)Access level CIDRs / dry-run mode.
enable_audit_loggingfalseDetailed Cloud Audit Logs.

5. Outputs​

Returned on a successful deployment — the quickest way to locate and explore the running resources.

OutputDescription
service_nameCloud Run service name.
service_urlDefault run.app URL of the service.
service_locationRegion the service runs in.
stage_servicesStage-specific service URLs (Cloud Deploy).
load_balancer_ip / load_balancer_urlExternal HTTPS load balancer IP / URL (when enabled).
database_instance_nameCloud SQL instance name.
database_name / database_userApplication database name / user.
database_password_secretSecret Manager secret holding the DB password.
database_host / database_portDB endpoint / port.
storage_bucketsCreated Cloud Storage buckets (includes the matomo-data bucket).
network_name / network_exists / regionsVPC network, presence, regions.
container_image / container_registryDeployed image and Artifact Registry repo.
monitoring_enabled / monitoring_notification_channels / uptime_check_namesMonitoring status, channels, uptime checks.
initialization_jobsNames of the setup jobs.
deployment_id / tenant_id / resource_prefixNaming identifiers.
project_id / project_numberProject identifiers.
cicd_enabled / github_repository_url / github_repository_owner / github_repository_name / cicd_configurationCI/CD status and details.
artifact_registry_repository / cloudbuild_trigger_name / cloudbuild_trigger_idRegistry and build trigger.
vpc_sc_enabled / vpc_sc_perimeter_name / vpc_sc_dry_run_modeVPC-SC status.
audit_logging_enabled / artifact_registry_cmek_enabledAudit logging and CMEK status.

6. Configuration Pitfalls & Sensible Defaults​

Risk: Critical (data loss / outage / security) — High (service degraded) — Medium (cost or partial degradation) — Low (minor).

SettingSensible valueRiskConsequence if wrong
database_typeMYSQL_8_0CriticalMatomo supports only MySQL/MariaDB; any other engine breaks the installer.
db_name / db_userset onceCriticalImmutable after first deploy; renaming recreates the DB/user and destroys all analytics data.
enable_nfstrueCriticalWithout the persistent document root, config.ini.php and plugins are lost on every restart — Matomo re-enters the installer.
nfs_mount_path/var/www/htmlCriticalMounting anywhere else leaves the document root on ephemeral disk.
container_port80CriticalApache listens on 80; mismatching it fails all health probes.
enable_backup_importfalse unless restoringCriticalEnabling without a valid backup_uri fails the import job.
execution_environmentgen2HighNFS mounts require gen2; gen1 cannot mount Filestore.
enable_cloudsql_volumefalseHighMatomo is wired for TCP via MATOMO_DATABASE_HOST (private IP); flipping to the socket without rewiring the host env leaves the installer pointing at an unreachable host.
application_versionApache variant tag (e.g. 5-apache)HighThe fpm/alpine variants have no Apache and don't serve HTTP on port 80.
max_instance_count1HighMultiple instances against the same NFS document root are not validated for Matomo session/config safety.
memory_limit2GiHighToo little memory fails PHP report generation and archive processing.
enable_redistrueMediumWithout an object cache, all cache reads hit MySQL, increasing load.
min_instance_count0 (dev) / 1 (prod)Medium0 adds a 10–30 s cold start for the first tracked pageview after idle.
cron_jobs (core:archive)set for high trafficMediumBrowser-triggered archiving slows visitor-facing requests on busy sites.
enable_iapfalse for public trackersMediumIAP in front of the service blocks the tracking endpoint your websites call.
uptime_check_config.enabledtrue for prodLowNo external availability signal; failures surface only via user reports.
php_memory_limit etc.defaultsLowBuild args only — silently inert with the default prebuilt image.

For the foundation behaviour referenced throughout — service identity, scaling and concurrency, ingress and load balancing, CI/CD, Cloud Armor, IAP, Binary Authorization, VPC-SC, backups, and image mirroring — see App_CloudRun. Matomo-specific application configuration shared with the GKE variant is described in Matomo_Common.

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